Winchester #209 777 Primers - 100-Pack. The armor piercing round was This year, H&R announced an expansion of its AR-15 lineup, bringing additional "retro" models to the market, including a 9 mm Luger-chambered Colt SMG clone, an M16A2-styled rifle and the carbine-size 723. I have also used Unique with success on lighter loads, Bullseye, Red Dot and American Select didn't impress me for 357 but I didn't try too hard either. Buffalo Bore offers a hard-hitting, high-velocity 180-grain JHP loading well-suited to taking deer-sized game at 50 yards or so. ballistics tables call for a muzzle velocity of 1450 fps for the 125 No substitutions or transfers to third parties allowed. Much cheaper to load your own. engine block. Maine Department of Inland Fisheries & Wildlife, State Agency: The four most common for magnum .357 loads would probably be Alliant 2400, Alliant #9, Hodgdon H110, Winchester W-296. I'm just looking to load plinking rounds. If youre looking for target loads on 38/357 than any fast burning pistol powder will work. Will you get good performance out of both calibers? 6 shots and point the muzzle upwards before each shot across a chronograph and 6 shots with the muzzle pointed down over the same chronograph. No substitutions or transfers to third parties allowed. At the VERY least, use a copper Gas Check lead bullet or a copper plated bullet. Using a case filling powder is just an extra precaution I try to use in my regimen to ensure I don't double charge. All my .38/.357 guns love this load (S&W 642/Ruger Blackhawks/Ruger GP100/Marlin 1894 Cowboy). Bullseye is also good in .38 Special. yoshie wrote:22g of 2205 nearly fills up a 44 mag case to the bottom of the bullet, 10g of AP70n isn't as full. Due to different barrel lengths, type of bullet, seating depth, primer type and other factors, you may not get near the FPS charted. Winners must respond within 30 days of receiving notification or an alternate winner will be selected. For my hunting / power loads , 2400. The Hornady 158 XTP-JHP over 15.5 grains of H110 is just under 1,600 fps in the Marlin and Rossi .357 leverguns. For plinking and target loads Hodgdon's Univeral Clay's w . IMR TrailBoss are products of IMR (formerly DuPont) Powder Company. loads today have a limit of 17,000 p.s.i., whereas the .357 Magnum's is 35,000. Note: A full Mail-in entries accepted; send postcards (no envelopes) to: GUNS Magazine, GOM March 2022, P.O. I dont worry about the power factor much because CAS threshold is so low, its not worth the tiny savings in recoil against having to compensate for a two inch high point of impact. Idaho Department of Fish & Game, State Agency: If you find your way down to Rod & Gun of New Bedford Sunday you can try some of my .38 loads. Associated taxes and fees are the responsibility of winners. flatnose hard cast bullet. Contest void where prohibited by law. It is just a guide and the reason you should start under these charges and work up. Result of not working out is a kaboom and potential injury. Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by Throwingdown, May 26, 2009. No substitutions or transfers to third parties allowed. My ammo doesn't only go in S&W firearms, there are a few other brands that I have so, I have to watch what I reload. You can. No purchase necessary. I use 3.5 gr of Red Dot, and a 105 gr Lee SWC in .38 special cases for my Cowboy Action/Snub Nose Training/Plinking/New Shooter load. Oklahoma Department of Wildlife Conservation, State Agency: Its one of the few handgun loads short of a 44 magnum that may deter a bear; it will do more than that to wolves, hogs or large cats. To protect the privacy and security of winners, names will not be made public. So many options, so little experience! You can try bowling pin shooting or metallic silhouette. I use 4.2 grs. If the loads work in the rifle barrel its almost a sure thing they will do fine in the sixgun, however it is almost imperative one uses either jacketed or hard cast gas-checked bullets in the rifle barrel. Bullseye, 100% burnt at 2.56 inches of barrel length. 3. Not only is this excellent accuracy, it is a significant increase in muzzle velocity. No you will not. Something that might not handle a double charge even from it. This morning I shot my first 357mag handloads in my Ruger GP-100. No substitutions or transfers to third parties allowed. It has been my favorite .357Mag load for 40+yr. This powder has a low bulk density so it fills the case well to reduce free space in the same way as Trail Boss. Contest open to U.S. residents only. AA#9 and a few others in the same burn rate range are . Is the .357 Magnum a rifle cartridge? Smith & Wesson Model 586: Reviewing A .357 Revolver With Class. Any information or suggestions offered in this article are intended to be put into practice only by serious shooters and handloaders with proper training and using safe reloading methods and recipes. I'd like to shoot a few hundred rounds before I do that. Surprisingly, or not so surprisingly depending upon your point of view, factory chambered leverguns for the .44 Magnum were offered more than 15 years before arriving in .357 Magnum. pressures may have been even higher; and if you shoot one of those . Shooters have been arguing for nearly 85 years as to whether the .357 Magnum is suitable for use on deer. For most of my big-bore sixgun loads I use straight wheelweights for loads under 1,100 fps; however, with the smaller diameter .357 Magnum bullets I prefer a harder alloy and normally mix lead and type metal in equal amounts. HP38 is a spherical powder that is great for low velocity and mid-range target loads in the .38 Special, .44 Special, and 45 ACP. Free shipping for many products! Paul, I just looked at the online loading center for Hodgdon. Copyright. No purchase necessary. Securely hold 6 rounds of revolver ammunition and conveniently load two rounds at a time. .357 Magnum - Published Manufacturer Loading Data. Here's what it's like to shoot this classic scattergun. Mine were tested with a 2 3/4" Ruger . It has shot superbly in S & W "N"-frames of 4, 5, and 6".. and also in a Marlin M1894SC .357Mag . Aside from your .357 loads, you can fire several others in it, including the .38 Short and Long Colt and the .38 Special. 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IPSCs revolver division rules basically demand a .45 ACP moonclip gun, but in IDPA the speedloader-fed .357 magnums are alive and well. Delaware Division of Fish & Wildlife, State Agency: Deployed military should use stateside address. South Dakota Game, Fish & Parks, State Agency: Deployed military should use stateside address. Mail-in entries accepted; send postcards (no envelopes) to: GUNS Magazine, GOM April 2023, P.O. Reloading Components Manual, 14th edition Lyman Piston & Revolver Christian, Conservative American, Male, all three of which are currently under attack! Since I started doing this seriously, Ive only bought one gun, a .308 bolt-action rifle. It would (just) make major from a 6" barrel back when a 6 shot .357 could still be somewhat competitive in USPSA revolver class. With standard primers it's a little lower velocity (more like 925). the original magnum pistol cartridge, was introduced in 1935 by Smith Disclaimer: The above is not holy writ. To protect the privacy and security of winners, names will not be made public. In the 1:16 16.25 barrels, we tested loads from subsonic .38 Special to a stout .357 Maximum and everything in between. Then use whatever you can find cheap for 38 special right now. I would exclude H110 altogether. can also shoot all .38 Special ammunition. Contest open to U.S. residents only. Customer experience was, and still is, the primary focus, a key to the firms longevity and success. A comparatively fast burning powder with a burn rate about the same as Winchester 231 and Alliant Red Dot. Classic Browning Light Twelve Auto-5 Review: Busting Clays With the Old Humpback Shotgun. The .38 Spl. I also like to load a 148 grain wadcutter with Autocomp, and find its superbly accurate with more thump but better range to 50 yards. Some people might think this is too little gun for a humane kill on a whitetail; this is misguided. Mail-in entries accepted; send postcards (no envelopes) to: GUNS Magazine, Altor Pistols, P.O. All Rights Reserved, it doesnt show its potential unless you start handloading it. Contest open to U.S. residents only. I use Clays in .38s. It's awful hard to beat a powder like 296. in the field and very accurate. Associated taxes and fees are the responsibility of winners. Kansas Department of Wildlife, Parks & Tourism, State Agency: Prizes will not be awarded if illegal in jurisdiction of winners. I too have used Alliant 2400, it makes an excellent full/hunting load. Newer magnum cartridges eventually surpassed it in power, but grain JHP with 583 ft. lbs. Not bad for jacketed either, but wont launch em near as fast as 2400 or H110. Kentucky Department of Fish & Wildlife Resources, State Agency: July 31, 2021. While the Colt Model 601 was the first AR-15 to be mass-produced, there were several design variations that came before during the platform's development. Let me be the 1st to say that you can never go wrong with Unique. Follow the reloading manuals precisely. Some loads use bullets of .358 for jacketed and .359 for lead. You find load data for cartridges in caliber .357 Magnum with all common powders and bullets by clicking the "Loads in this caliber" button above. small game loads. It gives the same or better velocities than Hodgdon's H110 and Wichester's Win296 (which are the same powder and either would be my second choice with Herc 2400 coming in third) at about 2/3 the pressure. SAFETY DATA SHEET. Alaska Department of Fish & Game, State Agency: What velocities can I safely work my Model 14 up to? CCI primers. One powder for 38 and 357mag. It's a very fast powder so there's not alot of room between starting and max loads. It won't give velocities QUITE as impressive as H110 or IMR-4227, but it can be started at 10% under max . For plinking and target loads Hodgdon's Univeral Clay's w/regular small pistol primers has become my favorite. Winners will be notified by certified mail on official letterhead. My Lyman's claims that for 357 magnum, the 2400 is the best powder delivering highest velocity and accuracy. 1.590 in. A stiff .357 load is plenty of punch for a relatively delicate animal like a whitetail. 38 Special - +P 125 Grain SJHP - Remington HTP - 500 Rounds - Best Low Recoil 38 Special Ammo. Made from a flexible urethane material. and Hodgdon HS-6 powders excellent for low and medium velocity loads FPS) (unless at least using a Gas Check) (with pure lead wadcutters, do not Reloading Handbook, 2nd edition. JHP, (WC= WadCutter, SWC= Semi-WadCutter, HP= Hollow Point, RN= Round Nose), SP=Soft Point, (JHP= Jacketed Hollow Point and if GC indicated, means Gas Check at bottom of lead bullet), (Note: These are near maximum loads, you should use 10% less to start. BIANCHI Speed Strips - Pair. I'm thinking Unique, but I'm not sure. Ive sold plenty of others, because they dont see as much use. New. Giveaway prizes may have evidence of being test fired or exhibit minor handling marks. Like mentioned, use a magnum primer with magnum powders and do not reduce H1110/Win 296 below recommended start loads. amounts listed above (but not where it says start load), and work up to the ticket for many big game hunting applications and for defense in the Every cowboy needs a revolver. New York Department of Environmental Conservation, State Agency: Most likely I'll be loading lead bullets. A shooter using the .357 must limit himself to broad-side shots on deer. section of the Speer Reloading Manual Number 14 The .357 Magnum is probably the most widely-used revolver cartridge today, managing to thrive in an era where the wheelguns and associated cartridges are growing scarce. Several of these can also be used in rifle cartridges, so its good to have I have found Winchester W231 12 gauge. (158gr and heavier) All will do a very good job so pick the one that's made by the company you like best, look up the proper charges and load up . (Photo: Andy C). Any thoughts? Vermont Fish & Wildlife Department, State Agency: They are all determined experimentally. Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. length article about the .357 Magnum can be found on the Handgun Texas Parks & Wildlife Department, State Agency: Gregory, I've tried over the years, if I was "tailoring" a load to a specific handgun (especially barrel length), to pay attention to the "burn rate" of the powder. (Photo: Andy C). Where can we push the limit of a compact but powerful cartridge for competitions sake? Hawaii Department of Land & Natural Resources, State Agency: Nevada Department of Wildlife, State Agency: 2021. were measured in a 6" S&W revolver barrel using Speer cases and Titegroup, 100% burnt at 1.65 inches of barrel length. Factory warranties may apply in some cases. Get CFE . . For the 140 grain JHP the CCI Primers - Per 1000. Commercial .38s make for light recoil, inexpensive .357 practice rounds. 7. A series of targets John shot with the Marlin 1894, proving the accuracy "I'm not often right but I've never been wrong. It is just a guide and the reason you should start under these charges and work up. Nor with small hard bullets are you going to be leading free. containers. Take it from a guy that chased for the holy grail of powder to do both well for over a yearjust buy two different powders. It may not display this or other websites correctly. It is suitable only for full power magnum handgun loads and .30 Carbine loads. Winners must respond within 30 days of receiving notification or an alternate winner will be selected. They list 4 gn of Unique will give 900 FPS with a 140gn bullet. ETA: Nevermind. Of course, you can now get .357 Magnum power in the same package, but the recoil and muzzle blast are intimidating enough that many who own the mini magnums stoke the chambers with +P .38 loads. JHP, 125 gr. personal loads where noted. I tried 2205 in a 9 3/4" Ruger Super Red Hawk and there was lots of unburnt powder, it . revolver barrel. 2, No. Associated taxes and fees are the responsibility of winners. Just depends on what kinds of loads you plan to shoot. Neither The High Road nor any of its directors, members, managers, employees, agents, vendors, or suppliers will be liable for any direct, indirect, general, bodily injury, compensatory, special, punitive, consequential, or incidental damages including, without limitation, lost profits or revenues, costs of replacement goods, loss or damage to data arising out of the use or inability to use this forum or any services associated with this forum, or damages from the use of or reliance on the information present on this forum, even if you have been advised of the possibility of such damages. Factory warranties may apply in some cases. Federal Centerfire Primers. Dillon Precision 14400 38 Spl 357 Mag Pistol 3 Three Die Set Carbide Brand New. The "U.S. Rifle, Caliber .30, Model of 1903," better-known as the M1903 Springfield, has become one of the most popular U.S. military small arms to collect. Like they say, this is close enough for government work. One for heavy loads and one for light. fps, and a maximum load of 17.2 grains of H110 will drive the same Prizes will not be awarded if illegal in jurisdiction of winners. The data shows not only the group sizes, but also the load recipes used with the velocities given. Firearms dont get much more iconic than John Moses Brownings legendary Auto-5 semi-auto shotgun, affectionately called the Humpback for its distinctive drop at the rear of the receiver. Contest open to U.S. residents only. I'm not looking at any manuals , so hard for me to say what FPS , but for a 158 gr pill as you had asked about , maybe 1100 to 1150 .?? On the other hand, 16.2 Although a lot of factory ammo for the .357 is loaded light in deference to all those 80 year old guns out there, a full power .357 S&W Mag with those light 125 grain bullets (remember, the cartridge was made for 158 grain bullets at a published velocity of 1500 f.p.s. Prizes will not be awarded if illegal in jurisdiction of winners. Cowboy Action Shooting .357 load. with 125 and 158 Gr Lead or Coated Lead Bullets. guys", but have not provided top accuracy in my .357 handguns. Super clean burning. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Winchester #209 Primers for Shotshells. ), (See note on Powders below or read all about various Winners must respond within 30 days of receiving notification or an alternate winner will be selected. I have been reloading Theres load data for pretty much all of them in 38 special. For me, I use 231 for light plinkers in .357 mag with 125 grain cast bullets. The minimum charge of WW296 (H-110 same stuff ) Winchester used to publish in the re-loading pamphlet was 14.5gr and SP Magnum primer, under a 158gr SWC. If I was going to use W231 in the .357 mag with 158gr lead bullets I'd keep the load below Speers 5.4gr max and and less than 1,000 fps with soflt swagged or cast bullets. Its not exact practice, but it wont bankrupt you to shoot them weekly. In a pinch, the .38 Super can be fired through a .357 Mag, however that is not recommended on a . If part of your plinking enjoyment is testing new handloads for flat shooting and serious speed, the .357 is a cartridge chemists dream. Associated taxes and fees are the responsibility of winners. All entries must be received by giveaway end date. Powders.). Raw power? They felt is was a dirty powder and so all your cartridges would . An alternative is the Buffalo Bore 180-grain hard-cast. For hotter .357 Magnum loads, any of the Hornady 158-grain jacketed bullets (hollow points, flat points, and full metal jacket flat points) work superbly well with 15.7 . Box 488, Escondido, CA 92033. Trail Boss is an awesome powder for loading the 158 grain semiwadcutter to moderate magnum levels, retaining good performance and fun without inducing arthritis. These figures are all for a 4" Associated taxes and fees are the responsibility of winners. These are good full power hunting loads. Come join the discussion about performance, gunsmithing, troubleshooting, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! These Speer velocities It would be great if I could also use it for .44 mag and .44 special. Jacketed bullets create a bit more wear on the bore, but its better than trying to wire brush out a bunch of lead build up. Prizes will not be awarded if illegal in jurisdiction of winners. Maximum versatility? (I) Giveaway ends December 31, 2022. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. bullet to a MV of 1352 fps. Both the Browning B92 and the Rossi Model 92 were based on the Winchester 1892, while the Marlin used a modernized version of their original 1894 levergun. John Wootters questions as to whether or not the .357 Magnum was a rifle cartridge is pretty much the same conclusion I came to many years ago. However, it gains right at 400 fps from the 18-1/2 Marlin 1894 and puts three shots in 3/4 at 45 yards. Employees and agents of Publishers Development Corp. are not eligible. It was our first magnum revolver cartridge and offered sensational velocities for that era, as it advertised a 158-grain SWC-style bullet at 1,510 feet per second (fps) from a 834-inch barrel, but was around 1,400 to 1,450 fps in most revolvers. Reloading Scale, Powder Scale for Reloading, 1500 Grains X . Prizes will not be awarded if illegal in jurisdiction of winners. If the tolerances are close between minimum and maximum loads, imagine what the effect of different bullets might be. Trail Boss is an awesome powder for loading the 158 grain semiwadcutter to moderate magnum levels, retaining good performance and fun without inducing arthritis. These two have always worked best for me. I also want to reload .38's with it. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Dillon Precision 14400 38 Spl 357 Mag Pistol 3 Three Die Set Carbide Brand New at the best online prices at eBay! While visiting a gun shop south of us a year or so ago they recommended against 2400. If handgun hunting is your thing, or you want to carry a revolver for protecting from four-legged predators in the wild, the FTX bullet doesnt provide as much benefit as it does in a rifle. Ammo, Inc. Signature .38 Special - 125 Grain TMJ (Total Metal Jacket) Brass Cased Centerfire Pistol Ammunition - Best Stopping Power .38 Special Ammo. .357 hunting loads can be tweaked to take deer sized game and smaller. They are all determined experimentally. Georgia Department of Natural Resources, State Agency: What powder is best for reloading 357 magnum hunting loads, using 180gr bullets? I used 13 gr of Alliant's 2400 under a 125 gr. But, this isn't the best powder for 900 f/s loads. Hodgdon CFE Pistol is best suited for cartridges producing the middle range of power (non-magnum pistol loads in most calibers including 500 S&W). I load this bullet over 13.0 grains of H110 and 12.0 grains of #2400. (III) Giveaway winner(s) chosen by random drawing. Jul 7, 2011. Imostly stay with gas check bullets in all .357 Magnum loads simply because they seem to shoot a lot more accurately. They show 2400 as the best powder to use for reloading the .357 Magnum cartridge. The .357 Magnum was developed as a joint effort between Smith & Wesson (S&W) and Winchester, and was formally introduced in 1935. For a medium velocity load in .357 Magnum cases with 158-160 grain bullets at 1.58" OAL use these as minimum start loads and OK to increase a grain or so as needed to get best accuracy. I'm looking for a really strong suggestion for two different loads. Be careful my friend , regards brushunter, Gregory I like IMR 4227 .Heavy Grain's but I like the way it sends my 158 grers flyhere's a recipe for 38 spl and 357 mag. Load data is available for 9mm Luger, .38 Super Auto, .38 Special, .357 Magnum, .40 S&W, .44 S&W Special, .44 Remington Magnum, .45 ACP and . but only the gas check versions will normally work with the heavier loads. & Wesson as the world's most powerful handgun cartridge. Here's a subsonic load in the 357 Magnum utilizing a 158 grain moly coated RN cast lead bullet and HS-6 powder at the rangeHS-6 is not one of the more popular powders, but it has good use in all the Magnum pistol calibers as well as the 9mm, 40 and 45. The 140 grain bullet can I've considered H110, but didn't know if it would be a good "all around" powder. all magnum handgun cartridges and among the top 10 best selling handgun But in those three disciplines, the .357s potential is going untapped, you could argue. I go through a lot of Blue Dot on 357 mag and you can use it with 38 Spl as well. by 9.8 grains of HS-6. Today, you can take your pick of outstanding hollowpoint or expanding-point bullets. I have been reloading the .357 Magnum since the middle 1960's. I have found Winchester W231 and Hodgdon HS-6 powders excellent for low and medium velocity loads and H-110, W296 and Hercules 2400 powders excellent for .
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